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Israeli intel chiefs conclude ‘constructive’ hostage talks in Paris

Mossad chief David Barnea and Israel Security Agency director Ronen Bar met with Qatari and Egyptian mediators on Sunday in Paris to discuss a possible hostage release deal with Hamas.

According to the Israeli Prime Minister’s Office, “The meeting was defined as constructive,” though “there are still significant gaps which the sides will continue to discuss at additional mutual meetings to be held this week.”

In addition to Qatari Prime Minister Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdulrahman Al Thani and Abbas Kamel, head of the Egyptian General Intelligence Directorate, CIA Director William Burns also participated in the meeting.

The Israeli delegation included Barnea, Bar and Maj. Gen. Nitzan Alon, the Israel Defense Forces’ point man for hostage negotiations.

The New York Times reported on Saturday that discussions are currently focused on a ceasefire for a period of up to two months in exchange for the staged release of more than 100 hostages. In addition to pausing its military campaign against Hamas, Israel would have to agree to commute the jail sentences of an unspecified number of Palestinian terrorists.

The negotiations have been complicated by Hamas’s demand for an end to the war, a stance that is incompatible with Israel’s stated goal of destroying the terror group, the NYT said.

According to Saudi-owned Al-Hadath TV, the parties on Sunday reached a “breakthrough” for a two-month ceasefire-for-hostages deal, under which Israel reportedly also agreed to allow more aid into the Gaza Strip.

Ahead of the summit, Israel’s Kan News public broadcaster cited informed sources who said the Israeli delegation traveled to Europe with the message that Doha and Cairo need to “apply additional levers of pressure on Hamas” to accept what Jerusalem considers a feasible deal.

“The purpose of this top-level meeting is to try and initiate a move; to bring up ideas, proposals, to break the deadlock,” the sources told Kan.

The Israeli War Cabinet will meet on Monday night to discuss the outcomes of the Europe summit, the Ynet news site reported on Sunday.

Tensions between Israel and Qatar were recently heightened after leaked audio surfaced of Netanyahu criticizing the country’s role as a mediator with Hamas during a roundtable with families of hostages taken on Oct. 7.

“When I talk about Qatar, you don’t hear me thank Qatar,” Netanyahu says in the recording. “Because for me, Qatar is no different in essence from the United Nations. It is no different in essence from the Red Cross, and to some extent, it’s even more problematic.”

The latest round of negotiations comes as fighting rages in Hamas’s last major Gaza stronghold, the southern city of Khan Younis. Senior Hamas leaders, including Yahya Sinwar, are believed to be hiding in the vast tunnel network underneath Khan Yunis, where they have reportedly surrounded themselves with a large number of Israeli hostages.

According to official Israeli figures, some 136 hostages remain in Gaza, although dozens are believed to be dead. The terror group abducted more than 240 people during its bloody Oct. 7 rampage across the northwestern Negev, in which 1,200 people were murdered and thousands more wounded.

One hundred and five hostages, mostly women and children, were released in November as part of a ceasefire agreement, which Hamas broke when it refused to hand over the last group of female hostages, plus two children, and fired a volley of rockets at the Jewish state. Four hostages had been released by Hamas prior to the ceasefire, while one was rescued by IDF forces.

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Israel admits it killed its own at Nova music festival  The Cradle

Families of victims plant trees at scene of Nova music festival  Israel Hayom

Israel admits it killed its own at Nova music festival

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An Israeli police investigation into the Hamas attack on the Nova music festival near the Gaza border on 7 October revealed that an Israeli attack helicopter killed some of the attendees, Haaretz reported on 18 November. 

According to a police source, an investigation into the incident showed that an Israeli combat helicopter that arrived at the scene from the Ramat David base fired at Hamas fighters and other Palestinians who crossed through the border fence from Gaza into Israel, but also fired on some of the Israelis attending the music festival. According to the police, 364 people were killed there.

The Israeli military and rescue services previously claimed that 260 Israelis were killed at the festival, all by Hamas and Palestinians in a deliberate massacre. But this is the first acknowledgement that Israeli forces killed some of their own.

Previous reports in Israeli media revealed that Israeli forces killed Israeli civilians in Be’eri, a settlement also near the Gaza border. In that case, Hamas fighters were holding Israelis captive in homes. When the Israeli military arrived, it opened fire, including by firing tank shells, killing both Israeli captives and Hamas fighters.

Three of those killed in Be’eri by Israeli tank fire were 12-year-old Liel Hezroni, her brother Yanai, and their aunt Ayla. Israeli broadcaster Kan reported that Liel’s relatives held a farewell ceremony for her, rather than a burial ceremony, because her body could not be recovered from the house that collapsed on her and other Hamas captives after an Israeli tank fired two shells into it. 

A similar instance occurred in Sderot, where Hamas fighters had taken over the local police station. Both the Hamas fighters and prisoners were killed when the Israeli army fired tank shells at the police station, killing everyone. Israeli forces then bulldozed the station.

It is therefore unclear how many of the Israelis who died on 7 October were killed by Hamas, whose fighters were seeking to take as many Israelis, both soldiers and civilians, captive back to Gaza as possible, and how many were killed by Israeli forces refusing to negotiate for the captives’ release.

Israel initially claimed Hamas and Palestinians killed 1,400 Israelis on 7 October, including soldiers, police, and civilians, but later revised the count to 1,200. Israeli spokesperson Mark Regev acknowledged that 200 of the alleged victims were Hamas fighters or Palestinians whose bodies were burned so badly that Israeli authorities could not initially identify them and assumed them to be Israelis.

In an interview with MSNBC on 17 November, he stated, “We originally said, in the atrocious Hamas attack upon our people on October 7th, we had the number at 1,400 casualties and now we’ve revised that down to 1,200 because we understood that we’d overestimated, we made a mistake. There were actually bodies that were so badly burnt we thought they were ours, in the end apparently they were Hamas terrorists.”

Regarding the Nova festival, Haaretz reported as well that, “There is a growing assessment in the security establishment that the terrorists who carried out the massacre on October 7 did not know in advance about the Nova festival held near Kibbutz Re’im, and decided to come to the place after discovering that a mass event was taking place there.” The Hamas fighters had initially intended to attack nearby settlements in what is known as the Gaza envelope.

According to Haaretz, senior security officials estimate that Hamas found out about the existence of the party using drones, and directed its fighters to the location using their communication system. In a video from a body camera of one Hamas fighter, “he is heard asking a captured Israeli for directions to reach the bad guys, even though he was in a different area.” One of the findings that strengthens the assessment, according to the police and other security officials, is that the first Hamas fighters arrived at the Nova festival from the direction of road 232 and not from the direction of the Gaza border fence.